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As of today m3 and m3w are no longer effective corporations within Eve. We will close recruitment and I will be mothballing the corporations for the foreseeable future until CCP decide to make eve worth playing again. This might be 6 months this might be a year. What I would like is for the pilots of m3 to find homes they can enjoy and keep an eye on m3 public to see what’s happening with us. We will continue to maintain the forum so we can keep in touch and play other games together and prove that the community we have created can survive beyond the confines of New Eden.Last night I left the corp for my own alt corp, Ninveah Enterprises, so I could partake in a little low sec (fail) piracy without besmirching the corp's name. (FYI: assault ships don't tank sentry guns so good... still.)
I've spent one month short of 3 years in this corp, and it hurt to watch it decline these past few months. Truth be told, we never really reached the heights of enjoyment and synergy we felt in the heady days of old Providence as part of Paxton Federation, before idiots in CVA allowed everything thousands of pilots worked towards be tore down in a month. But let's not rehash those old wounds again.
We tried several times to recapture the lightning in a bottle and we might have succeeded in FCON had the war with the Supercarriers of DRF not killed the Northern Coalition and the only recourse to the alliance, being vassals of the Goons, had not rubbed most of the leadership of m3 the wrong way.
Disillusioned by null sec warfare and CCPs constant null sec nerfs and missteps (anom nerf, jump bridges, bots and supercaps getting out of control, etc), the bitter old vet disease took control of the corp leadership and took the wind out of the sails, going into a spiral of not enough people logging in because no fleets were up because no one was leading them because no one was logging in. You know the drill.
Perhaps m3 Corp will rise again someday in New Eden. Only time will tell.
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Personally, I will be continuing my weekly logging in and trying to get my PvP fix. Look for me in Placid region for the time being as I try to figure out where I am going to land after this period of transition.
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It fucking hurt to close her down but really I was keeping her going for sentimental reasons and the majority of the corp who I love and respect stayed out of dogged loyalty. Giving everyone the chance to try something new while CCP gets its head sorted seemed the most logical thing to do. We may well return in the future but for now I wish everyone well in wherever they go. If you take in a member of m3 then you have gained 6 pilots not 1.
ReplyDeleteSo when are the remnants of M3 joining me?!?!??
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ReplyDeleteSorry to hear this, dude. It sucks to have a corp die out from under you. Had that happen to me and it was no fun whatsoever.
ReplyDeleteDo let us know your thinking if you feel like doing so.
Been trying to decide if I even want to mess with mull-sec again myself for more than a month now... ;-)
Nashh Kadavr: Your site is known to Google to contain malware. FYI.
ReplyDeleteKirith: Reading what your CEO wrote made me shake my head in sadness. I know people are terrible and whiners, but this was just sad.
I don't mean to be harsh, but M3 has never been an unusually powerful or successful corporation. They've got quite high success and point ratios for a nullsec corporation, but really haven't chosen the best locales to become involved in. I can't speak for Paxton in particular, but they were in Old Providence, which doesn't bode well... and as for Fidelas Constans, they are probably the worst alliance that comes to mind that is still somehow clinging to nullsec.
Complaints about supercapital imbalances are all just as well, but for a group with performances as consistently poor as your current alliance's... let's just say, it's like listening to a remora complaining about fights between sharks being imbalanced.
And to me, the crowning failure was blaming it all on CCP for making EVE not worthwhile.
My disdain for such whiners surpasses brevity.
Ian my disdain for you surpasses brevity, I had written something to take it point by point but the internet gods saw fit to make it disappear. You really don't seem to have a grasp on things work in nullsec. The ideas that having been in old provi "doesn't bode well" and that a smallish corp is to entities like ncdot as remora are to sharks are both absurd.
ReplyDeleteDear Keegan,
ReplyDeletePlease learn to read and spell others' names. If you care enough to steal my words, I'd think you could at least take the time to get my name right.
Also, it would behoove you to copy your writ to the clipboard before attempting to post on this form, the internet gods seem to take 90% of their blood sacrifices from these sorts of places.
As for the shark comparison, I was speaking of small fill-the-gaps alliances like Fcon, whose sole purpose in life seems to be to act as a meat shield and distraction away from the sov-space that the major alliances have to actually pay bills for. They can't afford supercapitals in any effective numbers, and probably won't be able to as they have no solidly effective fleet doctrine. In the past, as many as 30% of their kills came from having 1 or 2 of their pilots join larger alliances' fleets (Morsus Mihi and the like) and get onto all the kills they could in something hilariously ineffective (like a rail brutix) before dying.
I will take back what I said about m3 corp in Paxton. I know Paxton made a fantastic showing of themselves, standing out above all the alliances that were in Provi, proving hilariously difficult to oust from their preciously held systems. However, they couldn't manage to maintain cohesion after the fall of Providence, having lamentably lost their identity as a nullsec alliance with a strongly held home. Other alliances, like Fidelas Constans or Fatal Ascension, either already had or rapidly developed terrible fleet and pilot compositions and awful-to-nonexistent tactics in this time period (or even before). They maintained a facade of success internally in order to reestablish themselves in NC nullsec regions within a few months, and assumed the aforementioned meatshield/caulking role in the less useful regions of NC space.
I would wager the core PVP membership of m3 corp felt somewhat disillusioned after taking such a step down in nullsec world. It may have been gradual, or it may have been the tolls of an aging membership, as m3 corp has an extremely long established history, and the life- and play-styles of their original, experienced membership are undoubtedly changing.
As I am seeking to demonstrate, there are myriad reasons and factors that may play into the decline of a corporation like m3. It's perfectly understandable to retire/mothball a corporation like this, but I can't take someone seriously when they blame this event on CCP's failure to "make the game worth playing". There are plenty of things you could do about it yourself, if only you took the time and effort to figure it out -- and none of them involve pouting and blaming everything on CCP.
Sorry about the name, Iam, the "n" and the "m" keys happen to be quite close together and my fingers quite think. As to copy/pasting things well I'm pretty lazy.
ReplyDeleteI would maintain that your shark analogy is invalid in both cases, unless you mean only to highlight that renter alliances exist. There were a number of things I enjoyed about being in FCON, their location in nullsec high on that list. You are right about them not having supers or huge numbers, but to paint them as a parasite is wrong in my opinion.
To say that m3 repeatedly elected to join such alliances also seems to twist the truth of things. When I joined m3 they were in RAGE, which I don't think falls into that category of alliances. Politics within the alliance prompted m3 to leave. After a stint in highsec, we joined CVA in the hope that we could help restore providence to what it was. When it became apparent that CVA wasn't really going to put up a fight against the NCdot and evoke evasions, we left that cause as well.
While in FCON we had a few pilots participate in the Goon/TEST invasion of IT space, defended our own space against PL, NCdot, Evoke, and others, and were then deployed to fight in Geminate, then Vale, then Tribute. When tribute fell, a lot of people in corp were burned out, myself included. Whatever you want to say about the rest of FCON, m3 showed up to a vast number of the fights in that time in roles varying from lowly tackle to Cap/SuperCap FCs for NC fleets. It was not fun to be on the losing side of that fight. When it became apparent that FCON were going to throw in with Goons, we once again took our leave. Leadership has had (apparently) many bad experiences with Goons and didn't want to chance another.
Now keep in mind that throughout m3's time in CVA, NCdot's super fleet pretty much dropped on everything from solo frigates to small gate camps, just because they could. In FCON, we stood up to the DRF's and Raiden's supers in geminate and then watched the combined super fleets of PL, Evoke, NCdot, Raiden, and the DRF burn across most of the NC. It was a bit frustrating to have no counter for this other than blue supers that seemed pretty unwilling to deploy.
In the middle of all of this we also had the anom nerf. A good portion of corp made money through those anoms and being in Pure Blind felt that change especially acutely. And during the evac from tribute, jump bridges were changed to one per system. I am not trying to argue good or bad on any of those changes, but I would hope that you could see how the concatenation of all of these things could leave people with a bitter taste in their mouths.
In any event, that's the story of the last 10 months for m3. I hardly think Darth's comment is putting all the blame on CCP and I don't think he is alone in the view that something is a little off in nullsec. It is hard for me to explain the goals that m3 espoused and the ways that we (internally) tried to adapt to the changes around us. But it is a very long way from the truth of things to represent it as the leadership haphazardly picking a few alliances and then throwing up their hands and closing down corp when things didn't work out.
I am aware of the problem and working on it thanks!
ReplyDeleteAs a former member of m3 I am very sorry to hear this news. I made many friends during my time in the Corp and we fought the good fight in many fleets together in Provi.
ReplyDeleteIf anyone from m3 is looking to hang their hat in low-sec for awhile, the door is always open in Lucifer's Hammer. We have an established Alliance going and a great group of fighters that are focused on having a great time and blowing stuff up real good.
Our public channel is LUCRH HAMMER TIME or just convo me.
Wherever you end up, fly safe.
I guess the signs maybe were there for readers of this blog when you wrote about logging on an not finding fleets to join, but I was truly surprised to read this news. And saddened. People and corps I've come to know, or to recognize and admire for their activities (blogs, podcasts, etc) have been drifting away more and more frequently recently.
ReplyDeleteGlad to hear that you are still going to be playing!
I never meant to imply that m3 is a terrible corp with bad leadership. I know they pulled their weight wherever they went, and things haven't really gone their way in the developments in Providence and northern nullsec through no major fault of their own. You can pull your weight yet find everyone else lounging about or hiding and you won't be able to succeed or grow as you could if everyone tried the way you did.
ReplyDeleteI have to reinforce this, though: the thing that gets me, that I won't apologize for disdaining, is their unabashed determination to blame the decline of their corporation on CCP. If that were a valid argument, every time one group manages to succeed more than another, CCP is at fault and is making the game a terrible experience for everyone, making EVE a game not worth investing in.
This is frankly tripe. EVE is still the same game it always was, it's you that are changing.
If that is all you want to say then I don't understand why you're commenting here. No one has tried to make that argument.
ReplyDeleteOh and you might want to have a quick look around you next time you're in the Eve universe, it is changing all the time. Titan doomsdays are targetted, not AOE, these days; Moms got a buff and a name change, they are now called supercarriers; sov is no longer reliant on POS's, we now have TCUs, SBUs, and IHubs; the NC no longer rules in the north, BOB is dead; and there are these neat new modular ships called t3 cruisers, I'm rather a fan of the proteus. But I suppose you're right on one point, I am changing, after this I'm just going to ignore you.
Nice to see you managed to miss my point entirely.
ReplyDeleteBest of luck, Kirith.
Too bad you couldn't make it work with the Goons...say what you want about them but they do seem to be having a good time playing Eve.
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